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Glenn,

My name is Dave Goldsmith, I am the coordinator for the Baltimore County Greens. I am interested in the shadow cabinet project and want to help.

I would hope the Green shadow cabinet would be comprised mainly of registered and active Greens.

See: http://www.usgreens.org/vote

Dave

Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Kovel:
To: Mootney123
From: joel kovel <jkovel>
Saturday, August 30, 2003 11:22 AM
 

Dear Glenn,

Thanks for the note. Alas, I left town the day after the talk—it was just a quick trip, mainly to see my new granddaughter, just born and living in Venice.

I think the shadow cabinet is a good idea, especially as the greens need to stay in the establishment’s face at a time when the presidential campaign is pretty dubious. Of course, not everybody can be to everybody’s liking, and I can think of a few people on the list who are not my own favorite leftists. But even if it’s more or less impossible to choose a coherent group the idea is sound—so long, of course, as you you devise ways of letting the public know about it. Did Amy respond?

Regards,

Joel Kovel
 

From: Mootney123
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:38:43 EDT
To: jkovel
Subject: Dear Mr. Kovel:
 

If you are still in town I would like to  have a luncheon for you and any right near where you spoke in West Los Angeles.  I'm afraid I've found out about it a day late:

I hope the material in this note is of interest.  Perhaps you could critique this concept and website.

Yours sincerely,

G. Hopkins

                  Subj:  Dear Amy and John:     
Date:    8/26/2003 12:21:16 PM Pacific Standard Time    
From:   Mootney123
To:     list@democracynow.org  



Dear Amy and John,


Did you know Bill Clinton urged Democrats to form a shadow government last May?

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/05/19_shadow.html


A recent search on the web yielded 1100 pages of matches for "shadow cabinet."

It seems much of the civilized world does  governance in this anti-patriarchal manner.  

To see why we feel  the USA  is near critical mass on this issue check us out

http://www.GreenCabinet.org <http://www.greencabinet.org/>


Thank you for any networking of this concept or of the site that you can do.


Glenn Hopkins
Acting Chair,   Green Shadow Cabinet  Ad-hoc Committee

                  Subj: RE: Fantastic...let's do this thing....
Date: 8/27/2003 1:44:19 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: dal
To: Mootney123
Sent from the Internet




Glenn,
Great ideas must float in the ether for different people to pick them up simultaneously.  We are not interested in Hawaii.  We are just too overwhelmed with executing our program to go anywhere.  But we are interested in your work, who your associates are, how you came up with this idea, etc.  How did you hear about us – since we haven’t launched yet (launch is around October 1st). 
Also where are you based?  I couldn’t find that info on your site.

Dal LaMagna, Founder
The Progressive Government tm
The Progressive Shadow Government tm
The Progressive Government Institute tm
a better government is out there tm
12 Eliot Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
617-547-0029
dal@progressivegovernment.org
www.progressivegovernment.org
Now in pre-launch.  Official Launch Date - October 1st.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mootney123[mailto:Mootney123]
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 6:56 AM
To: feedback
Subject: Fantastic...let's do this thing....


Please allow me to offer the green network to you for promotion.  You are in many ways ahead of us....

I hope the material at GreenCabinet.org will be found  useful for you.  I wonder if your board of directors and  cabinet  (I presume that one could belong to both groups; please comment)   would be interested in 

A  COLLOQUIUM ON SHADOW CABINET IN HAWAII NEXT WINTER. 

Greens around the country were distressed that the exploratory shadow cab. committee stopped functioning at a point where they were poised to get their nominees together and garner speaking points in each of the cabinet areas to be used by local green candidates  across the nation. 

PLEASE FEEL FREE TO USE  THE REPORT OF THE GREEN CAB. COMMITTEE AND PROCEED FROM THERE.

I wonder what your thoughts are about the Hawaii colloquium  and about our site, etc.  With your permission I shall begin networking on your efforts immediately.

Sincerely and enthusiastically,

Glenn Hopkins
Chair,  www.GreenCabinet.org


Dear Ken, 

though in LA many years now I grew up in P.G. county and have a lot of connection to your city.

How wonderful that you write for the BLADE....of course lav. greens want coverage.

Those other two parties don't work with consensus....up or down 51% ecstatic and 49% miserable.  History proves majorities are often wrong!!   We greens try to work things out so everybody can live with something.  What's more minority-sensitive than that?   Do Dems or Repubs have official Lavender caucuses?   For Greens it was the very first accredited.  Do Dems and  Repubs. try to form a cabinet to embody their platform?  No.  Purely  patriarchal  king-figure president.  Greens are heading in a very different direction...like Switzerland, the world's oldest democracy (600 yrs.)  and like many cities who have to can the crap and just get problems solved...the leader leads a circle of intelligence,  a well-defined group of experts.  This is what the cabinet should be.  This is what the Greens have approved as the direction we want to go in. 

You may quote my ass on that.

Please peruse www.greencabinet.org for the initial committee report...


GLENN HOPKINS
www.mootney.org shows "Robin Hood"  done on the monument grounds before the march in '87

Pls. scan and send tears of any coverage.

Subj: Please announce widely, state and national Greens
Date: 8/26/2003 11:13:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: Mootney123
To: (various contacts)



Bill Clinton calls for Democrats to form Shadow cabinet http;//www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/05/19_shadow.html


This is one link from 1100 pages  of matches to "shadow cabinet" on a recent web search  Seems much of the civilized world does governance in this anti-patriarchal manner. 

Scotland  Greens have a shadow cabinet:  http://www.scottishgreen.org.uk/news/2003/may/030528.shadow.htm

What are we waiting for?

This campaign/post-campaign mode should be a plank in GPUS platform.

Why field yet another blah blah talking head?



Check out rationale,  history,  work already done at htttp://www.GreenCabinet.org

                  Subj: Re: Have you seen this one? An open letter to the Green Party platform committee
Date: 7/22/2003 1:47:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: johnstrawn
To: Mootney123
Sent from the Internet



on 7/12/03 5:45 PM, by way of Pamela Meidell <pamela> at
Mootney123 wrote:
Hey Pamela,
I'm sorry I didn't see this before I left for D.C. The "Green Cabinet" idea
is worth discussing.

I didn't realize Tom was moving but thankfully that's all he's doing....the
beginning of your note at first glance; "We had a sad, but heartfelt sendoff
for Tom Higgins in the park today," gave me a quick pang in my stomach,
thinking he had died!

Call me when you get back from Spokane!

Love,

John
>Hey, John,
>
>Here's an interesting idea. Hope we can talk about it, as well as many
>other things, in a few days. We had a sad, but heartfelt sendoff for Tom
>Higgins in the park today. It will be good if San Diego will pick him up
>and make good use of his intelligence and humor. He is willing......
>
>Talk soon,
>Hope you are enjoying the day.
>Love,
>Pamela
>
>Dear members of the platform committee:                 July
>7, 2003
>
>We mustn't kid ourselves.  Ralph Nader had the time of his life in '00, and
>barring the Democrats suddenly greening-up considerably, he will be
>running again in '04.
>

                         (    THIS LETTER ALREADY  POSTED  ABOVE   )
>"We support a presidential candidate embodying this platform by designating

Subj: Re: an open letter to the Green Party Platform Committee
Date: 7/17/2003 11:07:41 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: own
To: Mootney123
Sent from the Internet



[note this email is of a personal nature and in no way reflects workplace issues or stance]
 
EJ is a common acronym for Environmental Justice - it's use in the term EJ Community suggests that a host or impacted community be primarily low-income and/or people of color and that the community is disparately impacted by both burdens and lack of benefits from an environmental perspective.  For instance - in NYC N. BK, S. BX, SW BK and SE QN are host to almost every garbage transfer station in the City, a good number of power plants are also in these neighborhoods as well as the City's sewage treatment plants and significant expressway infrastructure.
 
I'm sure you do have a wide diversity of supporters for the concept, I'm just suggesting that it's not enough to gain support from a diverse audience, but that you also need to show diversity within the leadership put forward - (forgive the quota like formulation) i.e. half of the "team" might ideally be women, you might include a range in age groups, one or more differently-abled persons (sometimes referred to as disabled) and of course a cross-section of racial backgrounds.
 
You may include my name among the supporters.
 
Peace,
Timothy J.W. Logan
Brooklyn, NY

 

Subj: Re: an open letter to the Green Party Platform Committee
Date: 7/16/2003 2:14:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: own
To: Mootney123
Sent from the Internet



As a partisan discsussion (not allowed in my non-profit world), I'd like to simply point out a couple issues I came across in both this email and in checking the website. 
 
The presupposition that "(The secretary of agriculture needn't campaign in urban areas, for example.)"  suggests that agricultural concerns are not of interest in urban areas and further that they are not possible, yet I know hoardes of people who insist on organically grown produce in NYC and further know of gardens providing said produce all growing season long also in NYC.
 
My second major concern was the list of typical progressive white people...Democrats, Republicans, etc. all have more diversity.  If there is truly an interest in progressive change, centered on Environment, why has the EJ Community been entirely ignored when in fact the EJ Movement is leading the way toward sustainable development/redevelopment and progressive community-based involvement in leadership on all campaigns.
 
So I guess thats my two thoughts or two cents for what their worth...otherwise the strategic use of a team makes a lot of good sense from my perspective as an organizer.
 
Peace,
TimothyJ

 

                  Subj: Re: ralph....post for discussion and consensus next weekend
Date: 7/16/2003 4:28:59 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: JDavidSwift
To: Mootney123



Thanks for this.  Sounds good -- keep me informed.

Peace with justice,

David Swift
GP NY

Dear Nathalie,                                                                 Aug. 28,2003

Thank you for the opportunity to introduce myself to Wyoming Greens, and others interested  in focus on the  circle of intelligence at the heart of the federal government.

Since the 80's some of us have been trying to emphasize the anti-patriarchal value of  cabinet-focus,   rather than focus on an imperial presidency.   There is a great amount of support material for this  at our site www.GreenCabinet.org,  including the fact that Switzerland,  the world's oldest democracy,  elects seven members of an area-specific board, who then elect  a chairman-president.   In the U.S. many city governments work somewhat in this  fashion  because the garbage must be picked up and the kids schooled and there's not the time for posturing and divisiveness. 

I myself am a playwright and adult-school  teacher living in L.A. in "the house the frogs built."   (Our family's musical "MARK AND BARBARA FROG, A Green Musical", made enough money last year to convince the banks to loan us this mortgage.)     My plays over the last twenty-five years in L.A.  have explored many progressive issues,  past and present.   Reviews of  the work of myself and our company are at www,mootney.org .

The "official"  Green shadow cabinet exploratory committee grew tired of itself and belly-flopped last December while I was offline/moving in.   As you see from their report posted, much preparation was done.   Several members felt the next step was getting budget to fly around meeting prospective cabinet members and approving or blackballing them. 

I feel the opposite.  I think these leaders should be invited to a shadow "Camp David"  for a weekend  of brainstorming and networking,  and they can be impressed with each other.  We could host this in L.A. and I have in mind a Nobel Laureate whom I will ask to serve as a convener.    I would hope the weekend would include both working groups and talking-stick circles and that it would result in 1) five specific critiques of Bush agenda in each of the cabinet areas  2) a group of people with cabinet-level expertise to be available for interviews and local Green candidate support. 

This will take a little magic and a lot of elbow grease.  Websearch is finding more and more people and groups excited by this basic concept and its variations.

I hope some of you who can envision the value of this procedure (ad-hoc, though it may be) will  be in contact.  (Never underestimate the value of heartfelt encouragement.)

Sincerely,

Glenn Hopkins
(for myself and Christina Jhun, Co-chair)

www.GreenCabinet.org

Dear Dean...

You don't know  me personally...and I don't know if you know of my struggle against the dissolution of the  Green...Cabinet Committee.  But I'm the fellow who decries that as a tremendous step backward in the struggle to develop a post-patriarchal model for leadership.  If  Ralph had gathered a team around himself he would be the current president...about to be impeached for not making two bravura wars  to liberate the oil in countries who'd  declared it the property of their people.  Or perhaps not since he might not have stopped investigating Saudi conspirators as did Bush.

It's hard to imagine anything but a photogenic, top-notch team of savvy experts unseating the corporate stranglehold of the republicrats on the imperial presidency. 

But I do go on.

...And so will you.  I wanted to say that I'm searching to find where Andy Robinson works...a place that trains in grassroots fund raising.  Do you know about it?   I'll try to put you in touch if you don't. 


There was great honesty and detail in your summing-up your decision to move on, and I want to thank you for it. 

As a boy on his way to accordion lesson at 11th and G,  NW  I  weekly passed by the bell tower being constructed in honor of  Sen. Robt. Taft,  a key figure, of course, in making sure we didn't join the League of Nations....I wish the greens would use that spot  for a rally or press conference.   There is great power and instruction in its irony.

Finally,  I wonder if you can put me in touch with Wash.-based folk who could help populate a colloquium of cabinet area experts somewhat concurrent with the national gathering coming up....a few names....   It would be great to simply pass out and post a report from said colloquium containing ten basic critiques of Bushism in each of the cabinet areas  at the close of the national gathering  for use in local an national campaigning in all the states.

Would you also be kind enough to forward this request to the steering committee with my (hereby) request that a few minutes on the agenda near the end could be reserved for the  passing out of the report of the (now ad-hoc)  green cabinet committee.

Perhaps you or one of them could give me a yes  or no to a tiny place on the agenda.

Thankyou for being the paid staff person in the Wash. office these years.  You're leaving things in better condition than when you arrived...always a commendation.



Sincerely,

Glenn Hopkins
Los Angeles




Subj:
please network toward adding this plank.


Date:
7/16/2003 1:15:48 PM Pacific Standard Time



From:
Mootney123


To:
rhannon



Subj:
Dry Would For A Green Cabinet


Date:
7/12/2003 9:57:56 AM Pacific Standard Time



From:
stith

To:
mootney123

CC:
mark



Sent from the Internet



Glenn --

As a Green in Boulder County Colorado, I've heard about the Green Cabinet...
just recently got the email item updated 5/12/03.

Great! Good work. Thanks for handling this.

Getting names and work skills associated is, in and of itself, valuable.

One thing that was particularly helpful for me was the responses of those asked to serve.
Here's one reason why what you are up to is valuable to me:

Along with many local Greens and unaffiliateds and even Democrats and a few others (e.g. NL party types)
we're working on a non-party, community-based movement based on values --
prominent among them the ten key values -- hoping to combine progressives with
independents
disgusted Democrats
cultural creatives/political northers (a la Paul Ray's idea/findings)
and all manner of cultural leaders/workers like
poets and prose writers, musicians, dancers, actors, performers of all kinds
into grassroots formations that hold "gatherings"

(more about this at www.thegreenmovement.com)

so...
we all need to work "the edge" between party-affiliated Greens
and those who might be likely prospects for, say, the Green Cabinet
but who have some "issue" or "problem"...

for example, Hunter and Amory Lovins could be doin' a heap o' good work in a cabinet/government role
whatever they would say, I'd like to hear their responses

these are the clues we're trying to work on...
to get past the edges and barriers
real or imagined or whatever
to get "the 3%"
growing
evolving/revolving, whatever
working together more effectively...

sorry to have written back so long a piece
I was only going to give you a short "attaboy"
for your good work

Green On,
Love On,
Stith



Stith Bennett
Box One
Allenspark, CO  80510.0001
303.747.2216
stith


Subj:
team president


Date:
7/12/2003 8:58:42 AM Pacific Standard Time



From:
nallen


To:
Mootney123



Sent from the Internet

In Maine, we floated this idea for governor. It didn't get very far but I like the idea. Keep me posted...nancy allen

Subj:
Re: ralph....post for discussion and consensus next weekend

Date:
7/16/2003 4:28:59 AM Pacific Standard Time

From:
JDavidSwift


To:
Mootney123



Thanks for this.  Sounds good -- keep me informed.

Peace with justice,

David Swift
GP NY

FW: [USGP-COO] FW: An open letter the The Green Cabinet Committee


Subj:
FW: [USGP-COO] FW: An open letter the The Green Cabinet Committee


Date:
7/13/2003 9:12:00 AM Pacific Standard Time

From:
ginnycase


To:
mootney123

Sent from the Internet


***********
Ginny-Marie Case
ginnycase
310.995.0256

Chinese Proverb:
"Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it."

------ Forwarded Message
From: Paul Etxeberri <eusko>
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 23:23:38 -0700
To: Ginny-Marie Case <ginnycase>
Subject: Re: [USGP-COO] FW: An open letter the The Green Cabinet Committee

Greenings,

I was wondering whatever happened to the shadow cabinet. I'm pleased to see that some
people are keeping the idea alive. I hope you discuss it Washington. I'll be there.

Pax, Paul Etx